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Thank Lieberman & McCain For This: YOU Can End Up In Military Prison Indefinitely

A bill introduced by Sens. John McCain and Joseph Lieberman, entitled The “Enemy Belligerent, Interrogation, Detention, and Prosecution Act of 2010,” would allow the U.S. military to indefinitely detain U.S. citizens without trial or legal representation on the suspicion that they may pose a threat to the government.


Note the word, “suspicion”.  Just by suspicion alone.


Well, I suspect they’re screwing us.


This means anyone. Any US citizen, for as long as they want, no questions asked.  Just like that, you can become a detainee. So, how do you feel about torture now? Do you still advocate it?


Senator John McCain could have been our President.  I am not saying, I told you so.  I am saying, watch out.  This man has been a prisoner of war and he should be the last person on Earth to do this.


You can read this bill here or excepts here to cut through the crap.  By the way, where was the President when this quietly passed without notice?


Senator Lieberman, he’s out for himself.  Both sides of the aisle know this already if they’re being honest with themselves.


How could he?! When some in the right wing call President Obama a fascist, perhaps they ought to rethink they’re stance on that:


This is the legislation that we have been predicting for many years. This is the evidence that a major goal of the phony war on terror has always been to criminalize ordinary US citizens and effectively remove the last vestiges of freedom of speech and even thought. This is the evidence that Americans today are living in a covertly fascist regime.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0y5wBjLvQ3I&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]

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By Anomaly – March 12, 2010

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  • Rebel

    @ Freeman: I read the link. BFD, the people were arrested for disorderly conduct. Their arrest had nothing to do with the Patriot Act. The “Enemy Belligerent, Interrogation, Detention, and Prosecution Act of 2010″ applies to Acts of War against the US – not protesters.”

    If you get arrested for dissent, or protesting you have full rights. A couple of hours in jail and a fine and you are back on the street. Go back and read the criteria in the bill on page 8. It very clearly defines who is a an “Enemy Belligerent”.

    I don’t really see where the bill changes anything anyway. In wartime, the only rights you get are the Geneva convention. Nothing has changed with this bill, they are just trying to define what exactly an enemy belligerent is – to set some guidelines as it were. If you are a terrorist here in the US or anywhere else and you blow up a US government building – it’s off to Gitmo for you and it’s up to the military to decide when and if you are released.

    This is really a no brainer. You are so paranoid. Don’t worry Freeman, the government doesn’t care what you do in the privacy of your home as long as you are not hurting anyone.
    It is for that reason that the mainstream media has barely even mentioned this bill. It is just the left wing screwballs who are complaining about it.

    As for me being a coward, you name the place and the time and we shall see who the coward is. I’m certainly not afraid of dealing with a liberal pussy like you.

  • STM

    Rebel, your defense of this bill is sadly naive, and indicates a foolish level of faith in the bona fides and honesty of government agents.

    It doesn’t matter that this bill says it only applies to people who engaged in terrorist acts of war, because in practice, all it will take to get you detained forever is for a cop or federal agent to CLAIM you were engaged in a terrorist act of war. It doesn’t have to be true, because the whole purpose of this bill is to make it unnecessary for the government to prove that you actually committed any terrorist act. You’ll have no oppoturnity to prove that you’re innocent. So of COURSE this bill will be used to suppress dissent, because any time the FBI decides it doesn’t like a particular dissenter or dissent group, it just has to say they were conspiring to commit a terrorist act of war — lying if necessary — and that’s all it will take to lock them up indefinitely with no chance for release. And believe me, cops and feds lie their asses off when it suits their purposes.

    When you conservative lunkheads say stuff like “terrorists have no rights,” it shows that you don’t understand the purpose of the rights that have been taken away from detainees. These rights aren’t prizes or rewards that we get for being American citizens, to make us feel good. They’re rules that work together to ensure that an accused bad guy really is a bad guy before the government is allowed to lock him up or execute him. So statements like “terrorists have no rights” are non-sensical, because we can’t know if someone really was a terrorist if we’ve taken away all their due process rights.

    Lawrence Wilkerson says most of the people we sent to Guantanamo were innocent, and he would know. It goes to show that just because the government claims someone is a terrorist doesn’t make it so.

    • Rwolf

      Has anyone asked Sarah Palin why she is supporting Sen. McCain’s campaign after he just introduced the “Enemy Belligerent Interrogation, Detention, and Prosecution Act of 2010” Possibly the most Tyrannical Bill in Modern U.S. History?

      Do Tea Party participants believe they will be spared from this Fascist Legislation? Consider history. Hitler blamed the burning of the German Parliament building on the Communists to invoke his 1933 Discriminatory Decrees that suspended free speech, the right to association and dissent. Hitler not only used the new laws to go after communists but anyone that Hitler deemed undesirable or dared question the Reich fascist state. Perhaps Tea Party participants haven’t made the connection how McCain’s bill if passed could ultimately be used against them.

      Ask Sarah Palin if she supports McCain’s Indefinite Detention Bill.

      If McCain wins his election in Arizona next November thanks to the help of Palin, there is a greater chance McCain’s Belligerent S.3081 will be passed.

      Government too easily can use McCain’s bill S.3081 to arbitrarily disappear Americans—without probable cause. Your political opinions and past statements made against U.S. Government could in the future under S.3081 be used by Government Authorities to deem you a “hostile” “Enemy Belligerent” to cause your arrest and indefinite detention.

      See McCain Senate bill S.3081 at:

      assets.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/politics/ARM10090.pdf

  • Rebel

    @ freeman : Sigh, deep breath, exhale. I don’t have the energy to deal with flakeslikes you right now. I’m going to take a break and I will respond. It is fair game now as you have personally attacked me calling me a “coward”. I try to be nice and I am attacked. @ Anomaly: I know you libs are all about being fair. I am going to read this cretin’s link and I willl respond appropriately.

  • Freeman

    Oh, and Rebel, the US government already rounded up and detained people in New York during the 2004 GOP summit, they literally blocked off streets and arrested everyone on the street including working people just out for lunch and held them for days without charged – all because the “patriot” act of cowardly BS gave them the power to do so.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Republican_National_Convention_protest_activity

    Get your head out of your ass and wake up.

  • Freeman

    Rebel, you’re so hopelessly clueless. A typical “conservative” coward willing to give up his rights for the promise of “safety”.

    You can talk all you want about how they’re not going to use it for this or that, not going after civilians etc, but the very wording gives them the power to do just that, so your argument is plainly false. There is nothing more to say, your “opinion” on the subject is meaningless drivel, facts are facts and you are wrong. End of discussion.

    Conservatives are all about “reduced government” so they continually say, but continue to support anti-American legislation like this to empower the government even more. Hypocrite cowards all of them.

    You’re either free with a right to privacy and your own possessions or you’re not. There is no middle ground. And this should never be compromised under the deludedly cowardly lie of “safety”.

  • Rebel

    When I watched the video clip I was concerned by what was implied by the two liberal commentators so I went and read the actual bill.

    The bill applies to those engaged in “terrorist acts of war” against the US whether you are here in the US, it’s territories or any other Country. If you engage in an act of War against the US, then you lose your rights as a citizen. You can be locked up and interrogated by the Military for as long as necessary. This is nothing new. It is standard procedure during wartime.

    Even the most rabid left wing or right wing extremist government hater would not be locked up as long as they were not planning or engaging in an Act Of War against the US. Let’s say that you buy a very large amount of fertilizer and diesel fuel and they intercept an email about blowing up a Federal building – then it becomes a potential act of war and the military takes over. They are not going to be pulling people off the street who speak out against the government as long as they do not make any threats of violence. If you are one of the dirtbag US Citizents that goes over to Pakistan to train with Al Queda and they find out about it – then you can forget about your rights as a US Citizen. I think it just tightens up security on US Citizens abroad and here in the US that are engaging in or plotting with terrorist to do harm to us. Just a couple of days ago we locked up “Jihad Jane” who was plotting with Al-Queda around the world. As far as I am concerned, she has no rights. Let the military handle it.

    I remember similar liberal paranoia over the Patriot Act. Everyone had visions of Karl Rove and George Bush in a back room secretely listening in on everyone’s phone conversations when the NSA has actually been monitoring phone, email, cell phone etc for many years under both Republican and Democratic administrations. They have supercomputers that sift through all the data and pick out snippets of conversations with the word “bomb” etc.

    You could use the same argument to say that DUI checkpoints are targeting otherwise innocent citizens. If you are driving and you are not drunk, then you should have no problem stopping for a chat with the cops. If you are drunk, then they are going to breathalyze you with one of Obama’s asthma inhalers and lock you up if you fail.

    So do not worry Comrade Anomaly. You could post the communist manifesto on your blog and nobody would bother you. We still have freedom of speech.

    • Anomaly100

      @Rebel: Perhaps you should review it. You can be detained for dissent. For mere suspicion. Hey, it was just a warning. I wonder what you’d say if President Obama quietly passed this?

    • Rebel

      @ Anomaly: It doesn’t say anything about beign arressted for “dissent”. Go back and read the criteria for “underprivileged detainee” and show me where it says you can lose your rights for “dissent” You have to be engaged in, captured during or planning an attack against the U.S. You lose your Miranda rights, but you are still treated according to the rules of the Geneva convention.

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  • http://depravda.posterous.com Paul zink

    Detain USA citizens indefinitely on suspicion? Isn’t there such a thing as Habeas Corpus in this country’s legal system?

    • Anomaly100

      @Paul: Not anymore. Apparently, it’s not patriotic. Habeas Corpus is now a secret liberal agenda.

  • Rebel

    @ Anomaly: I am going to read it again. Please don’t be wasting my time with this. I want to see where it says you can be arrested for dissent.

  • Anomaly100

    @Rebel: I believe someone answered your question far better than I could. See: @Freeman’s comment. Do people eating lunch and being detained count?

  • http://www.freakoutnation.com Erick Tippett

    Brainwashed american folks,

    “the government doesn’t care what you do in the privacy of
    your own home” …… Sure about that? Read former major
    David Moorehouse’s book ‘Psychic Warriors’. He was in the
    original pilot program where the CIA AND U.S. special division
    trained him and others in RV (remote viewing). It got so nasty
    both Moorehouse and the group instructor considered going
    public with disturbing revelations with exactly what was going
    on. Both were threatened with death for them as well as their
    families! If I’m not mistaken government agents can enter
    your home, seize your computer hard drive if there is suspicion
    that you have sedicious material contained in it!

    Something to look into especially Moorehouse’s book.

    EDT
    Chicago, Illinois

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