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Should No Churches Be Allowed Near The Oklahoma City Bomb Site?

Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bomber killed 168 people by detonating a bomb, making that the deadliest act of terrorism in America prior to 9/11.  McVeigh was raised as a Catholic, was pro-militia and an NRA member. What shaped his life to the extent of his terrorist act is not certain although this is attributed to his fear of a tyrannical government taking over.



Dr George Tiller’s murderer,  Scott Roeder was a self professed Christian, striking him down, thinking of it as an act to save unborn children over the abortion issue. Many Christians denounce Roeder’s act, but some embrace him as a hero such as Randal Terry.

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Admittedly, Roeder provides us with an extreme example of Christian terrorism. Some Christian extremists who oppose reproductive rights for women engage in many less violent terrorist acts (e.g., harassing women outside clinics, vandalism, etc.) but draw the line at murder. And yet,Randall Terry was observed outside the courthouse during Roeder’s trial showing his support for the admitted murderer.



The right wing name for the Muslim recreation center and place of worship which has become highly controversial is, The Ground Zero Mosque. The same political party that claims to embrace The Constitution has dismissed it entirely:

Chicago Tribune:

In any legal or constitutional showdown over whether a mosque can be built near Ground Zero, the mosque would win, hands down.

The First Amendment of the Constitution requires it. The amendment, perhaps the most cherished of the Bill of Rights, guarantees that government may not interfere with the practice of religion.



A letter to the President:

Cordoba website:


Dear President Obama,

I write to thank you for your support of the plans for the Park51 Islamic Cultural Center in Lower Manhattan and of religious freedom for all Americans. I know I speak for many, many Jewish leaders when I express my thanks for your support of Park51. I have worked with Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf and with Daisy Khan. I appreciate their commitment to interreligious dialogue and so, have been outspoken in my support for them. I can think of no better memorial to the Americans who gave their lives on Sept. 11, 2001, than a place of prayer, contemplation, and communal engagement.

I also deeply appreciate your standing up for our freedom of religion. It is not sufficient to assert the right to build; only the free exercise of that right is a guarantee of religious freedom. I am distressed at those who would divide America and use hatred of other Americans as a political tool. I applaud your courage at speaking out on this issue. We consider support of Park51 essential to the rights of religious expression for the Jewish community, as well.

My best wishes to you, in the hopes that you continue to serve America in helping ALL of our citizens achieve their basic rights such as healthcare, economic wellbeing, and freedom of expression and religion.

Sincerely,

Rabbi Burt Visotzky
Appleman Professor of Midrash and Interreligious Studies
Director, Louis Finkelstein Institute for Religious and Social Studies


Julie Clawson of Sojourners:


I’ve become used to seeing images of protests on the news recently. While a few years ago these were displayed as sure signs of anti-American sentiments, they are now a mainstay on the nightly news. Hardly a day goes by without seeing some sign calling Obama a Muslim socialist or demanding that the government not take away Medicare in order to pay for socialized heath care. But it was seriously disturbing to see the images from New York City yesterday of the protest of the Muslim center going in two blocks from the site of Ground Zero. The planned center is being built in an old Burlington Coat Factory building and will include a fitness center, community meeting rooms, and a mosque. Basically it’s the neighborhood YMCA with that weird contemporary church plant meeting in the yoga room on Saturday nights. But it’s Muslim and therefore has drawn out the haters.


Just recently, a group of 40 leaders of varying religions spoke up in support of the Cordoba recreation center and mosque while denouncing.“xenophobia and religious bigotry,”

Christian Post:

“We have witnessed this sinful corruption of religion across faith traditions throughout history and must condemn it without equivocation whenever or wherever it occurs,” the religious leaders wrote in their statement. “However, we fail to honor those murdered on that awful day – including Muslim Americans killed in the Twin Towers and Pentagon – by betraying our nation’s historic commitment to religious liberty, fueling ugly stereotypes about Islam and demeaning the vast majority of Muslims committed to peace.”


While debating what’s right and wrong, the same people who wish to judge others, are rejecting Constitutional rights of others by saying it’s not appropriate.  Suppose we say guns aren’t appropriate? Suppose we say no Christian church is allowed in close proximity to the spot where Dr Tiller was murdered.  In this line of thinking, we should shut down any Catholic Church and gun shop near the Alfred P Murrah Federal Building Timothy McVeigh targeted, killing 168 people including 19 children.


Scott Roeder is part of the religious right which some see as the sister of the radical Muslims in the Taliban. Any extremist using religion as a scapegoat for their acts,  will now effect everyone in that religion?  Is this now perceived as freedom and liberty?


If we are stereotyping peaceful Muslims, lumping them in with extremists and radicals, then the same can apply to the rest of us. If fair is fair, then by God, let’s be fair, but let’s not feign devotion and love for our Constitutional rights simply because you have a pocket version in your bag or brief case.  The Constitution applies to all Americans, from all religions and faiths.  These rights are ours and the rest of America is tiring of the twisted up version the religious right have morphed into their won set of rights. pertaining only to them.


This could be our one chance at building bridges with these people who hope to improve relations and they’re blowing it. Once we set an example of freedom in America, that example must always apply.  Cordoba House must stay if they still choose to.


This blogger is a Christian. Why are some of you making the rest of us look like bumbling idiots?

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  • http://FreakOutNation.com Anomaly100

    @Hank, Okay Hank, but, did you check out the website while jumping up and down on one leg while clucking like a chicken? It won’t work unless you do this properly. Try this one more time. And a one, and a two, and a three. Go Hank Gol ;-)

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  • Hank

    Yes I’ve checked out the Cordoba House Website. Yes I read the above article.

    I am in agreement with about 70% of America. I understand they have the right. I understand they say they are trying to cultivate tolerance and understanding and are reaching out. I do not think it is a well thought out decision and I do not think it should be built at this time, at that location.

    I understand if that is truly their objective (and I do not for one minute think that it is) then it’s OBVIOUS they have miscalculated. It is OBVIOUS they have failed.

    Common sense would seem to dictate they should re-evaluate their plans.

  • http://FreakOutNation.com Anomaly100

    @Hank, Are you saying they don’t have a website?

  • http://FreakOutNation.com Anomaly100

    @LoMi, Find common ground? Read the Cordoba website. That is what they are trying to do.

    • Hank

      @Anomaly100, Well, a good start for finding some “Common Ground” would be to understand the pain and emotional duress that would be inflicted on the friends and relatives of those who died in the attacks and “choose” to respect their feelings by agreeing not to build in this immediate area.

      The Cordoba Website? Is that truly what they are trying to do??

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya

      • frustation

        There were atleast 62 muslims who died in WTC on 9/11 one of whom was Salman Hamdani. The 23-year-old New York City police cadet was a part-time ambulance driver, incoming medical student, and devout Muslim. When he disappeared on September 11, law enforcement officials came to his family, seeking him for questioning in relation to the terrorist attacks. They allegedly believed he was somehow involved. His whereabouts were undetermined for over six months, until his remains were finally identified. He was found near the North Tower, with his EMT medical bag beside him, presumably doing everything he could to help those in need. How about we consider him/his families feeling in this matter. Or the other 60+ MUSLIM victim of 9/11. Please for God sake stop this backward thinking of all Muslims being terrorist or the fact that we have to be punished for the crazy lunatics that hijacked those plane on 9/11. Because not only did they hijack those planes but it seems like they hijack our religion too and most of America is going along with it and is blinded by corupt politics/polititions trying to push their own agendas. Please please please always put your self in other peoples shoes before you make a comment, and that goes for anyone who thinks ALL Muslims are guilty of the 9/11 attacks and should keep their distance from the site.

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  • LoMi

    Throw a dart…odds are you won’t hit a bullseye. This column is what I would call a bad game of darts. The center of all of this stems around extremism. The word that sits in the bullseye is “Extremist.” That is the target to aim for. Religion is not the common thread on the board.
    These acts are all acts of violence and “extremism” is the common denominator. Nobody has the right to force their beliefs on other people and as all sensible religions believe, you have no right to take another persons life.
    McVeigh-radical, Roeder-radical, Imam Rauf-possible radical. Darts are not to be thrown around blindly, the point is: take the blindfold off, focus on what you’re looking at, because you’re missing it. It’s right in front of your face. The issue is not what piece of ground to build upon, but to find “common ground.”

  • Brian

    @Hank: “choose” to respect their feelings by agreeing not to build in this immediate area.

    Didn’t bother to read the article above, eh?

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